Cannabis and fenugreek seeds

Fenugreek SST for veg, flower, or both?

hello notill community. My partner and I are not sure when we should use the fenugreek seeds on our cannabis grow. We use recipes from unconventional farmer and mountain organics using products bought from build-a-soil (FYI european countries that have banned GMO seeds sell pure seeds that are perfect for growing notill veganics and are much cheaper than NA companies. check eBay for seeds from the Czech Republic as a starting point). I have not been able to find a definitive use for fenugreek in veg or flower. Any help from members of the community will be appreciated. Links will also be of great help as my partner won’t believe anything anyone says in a post. Team effort lol. Thank you for taking the time to read this post and We look forward to your responses.

Any fast growing sprout is good, I use SST for veg. Just look at the nutritional value on the wiki, they’re ok if you got it but alfalfa or others would be better.

An Indian Family Ended up in The Hospital After Cooking Weed Thinking it Was Fenugreek

We all have that one friend who shows up to the movies after chomping down a batch of marijuana brownies. You, and everyone else at the theatre, remembers them distinctly, mostly because they’re the ones who kept screaming at the screen, convinced the bullets from the live action sequence were headed straight for them.

Cannabis has been consumed orally for centuries, even as far back as 1000 BC (the OG one, not ‘before corona’). But a bizarre case that cropped up in India has sparked a confusing conversation on whether eating cannabis can land you straight in the hospital.

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A family of six in the Miyaganj village of the north Indian state of Uttar Pradesh ended up in the hospital on June 27. Reports say the family fell sick after cooking cannabis leaves they mistakenly assumed to be methi (fenugreek), an ingredient often used in Indian cuisines.

According to local news sources, a vegetable seller named Naval Kishore sold weed to a family member named Nitesh claiming it was fenugreek as a prank. Nitesh then brought the packet home, where it was cooked along with potatoes to make an Indian dish known as aloo-methi.

While reports don’t mention how long it took for the high to kick in, the family apparently began to experience dizziness, and asked their neighbour to call a doctor. Some of them even allegedly lost consciousness. The hospital is yet to give an update on their recovery, but the police caught Kishore, who admitted to the prank.

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But the incident has left people wondering: Can cooking or eating cannabis really make you lose consciousness? Can bhang or brownies have the same effects? And how much of this extreme reaction can be attributed to the overpowering masalas (spices) that Indian food generally requires?

“There are three things that matter when it comes to taking drugs: it’s onset time, or the time it takes to start the process, how potent it is, and the duration it lasts for,” Dr Prashant Punia, a Pune-based neurosurgeon, told VICE. Punia points out that the active component in cannabis known as tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) takes longer to break down when ingested orally through edibles, and is broken down by the liver to convert to 11-hydroxy THC, a more potent psychoactive molecule.

“The intent and lack of mental preparation are also important factors that led to such a reaction,” he says of the case above. Since the family was eating the cannabis as a meal to suppress their hunger, and not to get high, the amount ingested went beyond their bodies’ limits.

“They probably didn’t eat enough for the THC content to be lethal, but since they had never tried it before, it may have triggered an overwhelming reaction in the brain’s neural pathways. People who accidentally consume cannabis tend to react differently. In this case, the fear of doom and unnatural feeling of the high may have caused their heart rate to go up, leading to paranoia or anxiety.” Punia says they may have lost consciousness in this tense situation so that their brain could avoid going through the overwhelming anxiety and fear the high may have triggered.

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“I think this was a case of over-consuming cannabis,” agrees Viki Vaurora, the founder of the Great Legalisation Movement, a Bengaluru-based collective working to raise awareness about the medical and therapeutic potential of cannabis. Having worked with thousands of patients using cannabis extract oil to relieve their pain and symptoms, Vaurora says that he has previously observed cases of patients freaking out after ingesting more than the prescribed dose.

“While we don’t know all the details about the patients’ illness and recovery, from the reports we can assume that they were given really strong cannabis flowers of the indica strain of the cannabis plant, which is meant to make you feel relaxed,” he says, adding that if it was the cannabis plant’s sativa strain, their heart rate would’ve increased, and they would’ve felt energetic and anxious, instead of passing out.

Vaurora also adds that this reaction probably wasn’t prompted by the weed being adulterated with rat poison or shoe polish, as it often is in India, since that would lead to nausea and vomiting, and not a loss of consciousness.

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So does this mean cooking cannabis has the potential to push you over the edge? Not exactly.

Research suggests that cannabis should be cooked in a fat soluble substance like butter or oil, because it is not a water-soluble substance. It should ideally also always be decarboxylated, which is the process of activating the psychoactive THC by heating the cannabis leaves or flowers before infusing them.

While most people make edibles for the trip they tend to induce, the cannabis plant is also considered highly nutritious.

“The most nutrient-dense part of the cannabis is its seeds containing calcium, fiber, fatty acids and 16gm of protein in 50 grams of serving,” says Mamta Dagar, a nutritionist from Delhi. According to Dagar, cannabis is not only beneficial in completing the protein needs of our body, but also helps in anti-ageing as it contains anti-oxidants like polyphenols, phosphorous and magnesium.

The biggest problem with scarfing down edibles, though, is that it’s difficult to determine the THC content and use an appropriate dosage if you’re going for, say, homemade hash brownies.

An Indian Family Ended up in the Hospital After Eating Weed Thinking It Was a Vegetable

A family of six in the Miyaganj village of the North Indian state of Uttar Pradesh ended up in the hospital on June 27 after cooking cannabis leaves they mistakenly assumed to be fenugreek, an ingredient often used in Indian cuisines.

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According to local news sources, a vegetable seller named Naval Kishore sold weed, as a prank, to a family member named Nitesh claiming it was fenugreek. Nitesh then brought the packet home, where it was cooked along with potatoes to make an Indian dish known as aloo-methi.

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While reports don’t mention how long it took for the high to kick in, the family apparently began to experience dizziness, and asked their neighbour to call a doctor. Some of them even lost consciousness. The hospital is yet to give an update on their recovery, but the police have caught Kishore, who admitted to the prank.

“There are three things that matter when it comes to taking drugs: it’s onset time, or the time it takes to start the process, how potent it is, and the duration it lasts for,” Dr Prashant Punia, a neurosurgeon based in the western Indian city of Pune, told VICE.

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Punia pointed out that the active component in cannabis known as tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) takes longer to break down when ingested orally through edibles, and is broken down by the liver to convert to 11-hydroxy THC, a more potent psychoactive molecule. “The intent and lack of mental preparation are also important factors that led to such a reaction,” he said.

Since the family was eating the cannabis as a meal to suppress their hunger, and not to get high, the amount ingested went beyond their bodies’ limits.

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“They probably didn’t eat enough for the THC content to be lethal, but since they had never tried it before, it may have triggered an overwhelming reaction in the brain’s neural pathways. People who accidentally consume cannabis tend to react differently. In this case, the fear of doom and unnatural feeling of the high may have caused their heart rate to go up, leading to paranoia or anxiety,” said Punia.

He added they may have lost consciousness in this tense situation so that their brain could avoid going through the overwhelming anxiety and fear the high may have triggered.

“I think this was a case of over-consuming cannabis,” said Viki Vaurora, the founder of the Great Legalisation Movement, a collective based in the South Indian city of Bengaluru that works to raise awareness about the medical and therapeutic potential of cannabis. Having worked with thousands of patients using cannabis extract oil to relieve their pain and symptoms, Vaurora says that he has previously observed cases of patients panicking after ingesting more than the prescribed dose.

“While we don’t know all the details about the patients’ illness and recovery, from the reports we can assume that they were given really strong cannabis flowers of the indica strain of the cannabis plant, which is meant to make you feel relaxed,” he said, adding that if it was the cannabis plant’s sativa strain, their heart rate would’ve increased, and they would’ve felt energetic and anxious, instead of passing out.

Vaurora also said that this reaction probably wasn’t prompted by the weed being adulterated with rat poison or shoe polish, as it often is in India. That would have led to nausea and vomiting, and not a loss of consciousness.